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  <updated>2008-06-16T14:12:47Z</updated>
  <entry xml:base="http://simplechatter.com/">
    <author>
      <name>Zach Moazeni</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-03-31:391:420</id>
    <published>2008-06-16T14:12:47Z</published>
    <updated>2008-06-16T14:12:47Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Using Capistrano 1.4 with 2.x' by Zach Moazeni</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Marcus,&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the tip. Ironically another developer showed me this 2 weeks ago. I just forgot to update this post. However at the time I thought it was a Capistrano only facility, not gems. Pretty cool.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Here’s the usage with better formatting:&lt;/p&gt;


&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;

# For Capistrano 1.4.1
cap _1.4.1_ -V

# Rails 2.0.2
rails _2.0.2_ -v

# Rails 2.1.0
rails _2.1.0_ -v

&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/3/31/using-capistrano-1-4-with-2-x</feedburner:origLink></entry>
  <entry xml:base="http://simplechatter.com/">
    <author>
      <name>Marcus Derencius</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-03-31:391:419</id>
    <published>2008-06-15T00:44:03Z</published>
    <updated>2008-06-15T00:44:03Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Using Capistrano 1.4 with 2.x' by Marcus Derencius</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;ruby gems already come with a solution for this problem.
 Just add &lt;em&gt;&lt;span class="caps"&gt;RELEASE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt; on command line. E.g.:&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;cap &lt;em&gt;1.4.1&lt;/em&gt; -V  # Capistrano v1.4.1 
cap -V # Capistrano v2.4.0
rails &lt;em&gt;2.0.2&lt;/em&gt; -v # Rails 2.0.2
rails -v # Rails 2.1.0&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/3/31/using-capistrano-1-4-with-2-x</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>Tool</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-02-23:380:418</id>
    <published>2008-05-13T21:19:14Z</published>
    <updated>2008-05-13T21:19:14Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'ALIVE and Treetop' by Tool</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Talk about a solution looking for a problem…&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/2/23/alive-and-treetop</feedburner:origLink></entry>
  <entry xml:base="http://simplechatter.com/">
    <author>
      <name>Zach Dennis</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-03-29:388:401</id>
    <published>2008-04-07T22:22:43Z</published>
    <updated>2008-04-07T22:22:43Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Testing content_for' by Zach Dennis</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Another way to do this is to use a testing layout and then specify the layout option when you render. For example: render “foo”, :layout =&amp;gt; “testing”.  The testing layout would have a “yield :secondary_content” for the content_for block and also a generic yield.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Granted if you have a lot of content_for blocks you’ll end up with a lot of yield calls in your testing layout, but that doesn’t cause any issues because they just don’t render anything. In the past I’ve just kept one testing layout file, rather then one for each content_for block.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Thanks for sharing,&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/3/29/testing-content_for</feedburner:origLink></entry>
  <entry xml:base="http://simplechatter.com/">
    <author>
      <name>Zach Moazeni</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-03-30:393:399</id>
    <published>2008-03-31T21:20:26Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-31T21:20:26Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Watch Star Wars via Telnet' by Zach Moazeni</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/"&gt;PuTTY&lt;/a&gt; is also a free client.&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/3/30/watch-star-wars-via-telnet</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>Brian Pence</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-03-30:393:398</id>
    <published>2008-03-31T19:11:40Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-31T19:11:40Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Watch Star Wars via Telnet' by Brian Pence</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;If you’re on Vista, you’ll have to install a telnet client.  Vista does not come with one installed by default.  Try AbsoluteTelnet (see my sig)&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Brian Pence
Celestial Software
&lt;a href="http://www.celestialsoftware.net"&gt;http://www.celestialsoftware.net&lt;/a&gt;
AbsoluteTelnet (for &lt;a href="http://www.celestialsoftware.net"&gt;telnet&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.celestialsoftware.net"&gt;ssh&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/3/30/watch-star-wars-via-telnet</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>Ilja Preuß</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-03-24:381:396</id>
    <published>2008-03-31T13:17:57Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-31T13:17:57Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Education vs Justification' by Ilja Preuß</title>
<content type="html">&lt;blockquote&gt;They’ll just want it faster, and there aren’t many who can afford to say “no”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;Not even asking the customer is also a way of saying “no”, just in a more arrogant way. It’s certainly easier in the short run, but I wholeheartedly believe that it leads to dysfunctional relationships in the long run.&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/3/24/education-vs-justification</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>Zach Moazeni</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-03-24:381:387</id>
    <published>2008-03-25T16:41:03Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-25T16:41:03Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Education vs Justification' by Zach Moazeni</title>
<content type="html">&lt;blockquote&gt;
		&lt;p&gt;I have also learned, througth experiance, that when you loose after trying to educate, you didn’t want to win it anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;/blockquote&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;BigJ, I really identify with those sentiments. Very well put!&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/3/24/education-vs-justification</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>BigJ</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-03-24:381:384</id>
    <published>2008-03-25T15:08:30Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-25T15:08:30Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Education vs Justification' by BigJ</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I rarely have a problem with Education.  I usually get the impression that prospective customers are very appriciative of the ‘right way’ estimate since it’s likely the competition will use the cut corners approach.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;I have also learned, througth experiance, that when you loose after trying to educate, you didn’t want to win it anyway.&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/3/24/education-vs-justification</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>Eugen Anghel</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-03-24:381:383</id>
    <published>2008-03-25T13:36:01Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-25T13:36:01Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Education vs Justification' by Eugen Anghel</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;What about the possibility that the client won’t understand what the heck refactoring is? Or worse, if he pulls a “we need it fast” card? Yeah, it’s nice to (try and) educate the client and it’s definitely “the right way”, but my sad experience has been that they won’t usually get it. They’ll just want it faster, and there aren’t many who can afford to say “no”. So I kind of try to do what you wanted to do in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Then again, maybe it’s the outsourcing getting to me.. are you hiring? :)&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/3/24/education-vs-justification</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>jonathan</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-03-24:381:382</id>
    <published>2008-03-25T12:53:42Z</published>
    <updated>2008-03-25T12:53:42Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Education vs Justification' by jonathan</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;fantastic article.&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/3/24/education-vs-justification</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>Zach Moazeni</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-02-16:372:378</id>
    <published>2008-02-17T07:26:40Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-17T07:26:40Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Ascribe - A Case Study on View Specs' by Zach Moazeni</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;@dave I should thank you for all your hard work in letting us use the framework. We at Elevator Up really appreciate it.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;@craig We didn’t care where he added it as long as it was in the right spec file. From there we usually moved it, and possibly re-worded the spec. A few were promoted to multiple specs (we really try to strive for 1 assertion per test). The most important thing was that we were notified that we needed to add specs.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;@zach Yup. I’m big enough to say when I am wrong and that was an instance where by skepticism clouded my thoughts. So in short, sorry for being an ass.&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/2/16/ascribe-a-case-study-on-view-specs</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>Brandon Keepers</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-02-16:372:377</id>
    <published>2008-02-17T06:31:12Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-17T06:31:12Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Ascribe - A Case Study on View Specs' by Brandon Keepers</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Zach,&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;Great write-up! We’ve also seen the same benefits with view testing.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;blockquote&gt;
		&lt;p&gt;“We told him to ignore the specs in all regards save one. If he was going to add rhtml calls…we asked if he would open up the spec for the view and create a pending statement.”&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;/blockquote&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;This is brilliant. We’ve been trying to figure out how to do this on current projects.  Fortunately, we’ve been working with a designer that is also competent with Ruby, so he’s been able to do some of the testing, but he’s not very familiar with RSpec, so it would definitely be more valuable for him to just add pending specs.&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/2/16/ascribe-a-case-study-on-view-specs</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>Zach Dennis</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-02-16:372:376</id>
    <published>2008-02-17T02:54:45Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-17T02:54:45Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Ascribe - A Case Study on View Specs' by Zach Dennis</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Nice write-up Zach. I’m glad to see that you’re embracing view testing now.  I remember our conversation last fall at the local grandrapids.rb meeting when you thought I was talking crazy about the real value of testing views.&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/2/16/ascribe-a-case-study-on-view-specs</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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    <author>
      <name>Craig Demyanovich</name>
    </author>
    <id>tag:simplechatter.com,2008-02-16:372:375</id>
    <published>2008-02-17T00:41:33Z</published>
    <updated>2008-02-17T00:41:33Z</updated>
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    <title>Comment on 'Ascribe - A Case Study on View Specs' by Craig Demyanovich</title>
<content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Nice write-up. I also liked reading about the balance that you struck between Rails developers and web designers.&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;I have a couple questions about that balance:&lt;/p&gt;


	&lt;p&gt;How did Aaron know where to add the pending examples? Did you often move them elsewhere when implementing them?&lt;/p&gt;</content>  <feedburner:origLink>http://simplechatter.com/2008/2/16/ascribe-a-case-study-on-view-specs</feedburner:origLink></entry>
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